Hi everyone,
meanwhile, we have the "TT hard directories" a long time. And we all know, that this is not the best way to do so, but maybe he decided it as the more compatible way.
What I want to know is, how have the other suppliers done hard directories? I mean native harddisks, no QXL.WIN.
Say Medic, Quest, Rebel, CST? They were all launched long before TT has done his drivers for the Atari or the Miracoulus Winny or the Q40/60, where the harddisks are used native. Did they use code from TT written long before? Or self written things?
I know, that the Thor one has done it nearly the same way, albeit another filetype. Do they use code from TT? And the one from Jürgen Falkenberg also uses "MAKE_DIR" and the same way (but filetype 255, TT conform). Also code from TT?
I know, that the first Rebel harddisk uses commands like CD, MD and so on, near to DOS. This code was ported to Qubide and rewritten by Phil Borman. Also from TT or the same as TT has done it?
There was a harddisk from ABC Elektronic (Andreas Budde), very much faster than the Miracle one (seen in Eindhoven).
Have they all used the "TT-way" in just amending the filename and use a kind of "directory" to be compatible with the TRAP "OPEN_DIR"?
Maybe this is not so interesting for all, but I believe, that there were other (maybe better) ways, to supply directories with harddisks on the QL. Say, a mix with a kind of DOS directory and the way, TK3 has realized the way to select them to make them compatible with old software. Even Quest should have the problem with PSION or old QL games in their time.
So if anyone has anything (say: a manual), I would be very pleased.
Directories on old manufactured QL Harddisks
Re: Directories on old manufactured QL Harddisks
Ralf,
this is a very late reply, but still - You might be waiting for an answer
You seem to be assuming that the "TT" way of handling directories came up with hard disks.
No, it didn't. Directories came up with TK2 (albeit on floppy only), so much earlier.
Everything that I know that uses directories on hard disks (QubIDE, Rebel, QXL) works on a more or less logical extension on that floppy format (slightly different in places, but always using a directory file that collects the headers of all files "in the directory". And the floppy format was derived from the micro drives that store their only root directory in a directory file as well. The point is, if you want to use the "Open directory" call that was introduced to open root directories for sub-directories as well, you more or less need to stick to that method.
Tobias
this is a very late reply, but still - You might be waiting for an answer
You seem to be assuming that the "TT" way of handling directories came up with hard disks.
No, it didn't. Directories came up with TK2 (albeit on floppy only), so much earlier.
Everything that I know that uses directories on hard disks (QubIDE, Rebel, QXL) works on a more or less logical extension on that floppy format (slightly different in places, but always using a directory file that collects the headers of all files "in the directory". And the floppy format was derived from the micro drives that store their only root directory in a directory file as well. The point is, if you want to use the "Open directory" call that was introduced to open root directories for sub-directories as well, you more or less need to stick to that method.
Tobias
ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ ǝq oʇ ƃuᴉoƃ ʇou sᴉ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʇxǝu ʎɯ 'ɹɐǝp ɥO
-
Ralf R.
Re: Directories on old manufactured QL Harddisks
Hi Tobias,
no, I fear, you have misunderstand my question. I just wanted to know, how earlier manufacturers of harddisks has managed their subdirectories, long before TT has implemented his way.
The "TT-way" was (as far as I remember) first implemented in the Atari ST Drivers, when TT managed to use the ACSI harddisks with the Atari STQL emulator card. But there were others before that.
How did they implemented that?
no, I fear, you have misunderstand my question. I just wanted to know, how earlier manufacturers of harddisks has managed their subdirectories, long before TT has implemented his way.
The "TT-way" was (as far as I remember) first implemented in the Atari ST Drivers, when TT managed to use the ACSI harddisks with the Atari STQL emulator card. But there were others before that.
How did they implemented that?
-
Derek_Stewart
- Font of All Knowledge
- Posts: 4682
- Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:40 am
- Location: Sunny Runcorn, Cheshire, UK
Re: Directories on old manufactured QL Harddisks
Hi,
There was implementations of so-called hard directories in Toolkit 3, Rebel Hard Drive Code (Qubide) and the QLHD designed by Dirk Steinkopf, though I have a Falkenberg Interface with C1 HDK drivers.
Tony Tebby saw his system as the best and problably made it impossible to implement anything else, if you are using SMSQ/E
There was implementations of so-called hard directories in Toolkit 3, Rebel Hard Drive Code (Qubide) and the QLHD designed by Dirk Steinkopf, though I have a Falkenberg Interface with C1 HDK drivers.
Tony Tebby saw his system as the best and problably made it impossible to implement anything else, if you are using SMSQ/E
Regards,
Derek
Derek
-
Ralf R.
Re: Directories on old manufactured QL Harddisks
Hi Derek,
TK3 should be outside here, as this is just a kind of extension to the TK2 ones. I have read in the manual of the Falkenberg harddisk similar commands as TT's. Was that the driver from Dirk Steinkopf, written ín C?
The first Rebel harddisk had an own driver, which was then changed, when they eventually became "Qubide".
Seems, one has to change the Dev3 in SMSQ/E, if there would be a demand to do so.
TK3 should be outside here, as this is just a kind of extension to the TK2 ones. I have read in the manual of the Falkenberg harddisk similar commands as TT's. Was that the driver from Dirk Steinkopf, written ín C?
The first Rebel harddisk had an own driver, which was then changed, when they eventually became "Qubide".
Seems, one has to change the Dev3 in SMSQ/E, if there would be a demand to do so.
Derek_Stewart wrote: There was implementations of so-called hard directories in Toolkit 3, Rebel Hard Drive Code (Qubide) and the QLHD designed by Dirk Steinkopf, though I have a Falkenberg Interface with C1 HDK drivers.
Tony Tebby saw his system as the best and problably made it impossible to implement anything else, if you are using SMSQ/E